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Tempo`s Exclusive Interview with Anies Baswedan

TEMPO.CO, Jakarta - Anies Baswedan was inaugurated as the Jakarta Governor by President Jokowi at the presidential palace on Monday, October 16. Anies and his deputy Sandiaga Uno will lead Jakarta for the next five years to 2022.

On Thursday evening of October 12, three editorial staff from Tempo were sent to interview Anies Baswedan at his house located in South Jakarta. Anies mostly answered our questions on official government programs off the record, he defended that; “From our experiences in government positions, [our programs] will only get criticized when we mention about it before it is done.”

How is your initial preparation in leading Jakarta? I divided it into three periods: campaign and election-day, preparation, and execution. Once the Regional Election Commission announces the results, we will form a synchronization team that will translate our campaign promises into an official work program. From my experiences as a part of the 2014 Presidential Election synchronization team, it isn’t a simple task. The team must communicate with each and every Regional Official. We are lucky to have a quite lengthy preparation period. Insyallah (by God`s will) we are ready now.

What will you work on the first 100 days of taking office? There is plenty to do. Starting from affordable staple foods program, entrepreneurship development through our program called OK-OCE (One Kecamatan One Center of Entrepreneurship), Jakarta Smart card Plus, integrated transportation, zero-percent down payment housing, up to constructing a football stadium for Persija (A local Jakarta football team). We will be conducting it since the beginning through a grassroots movement.

What is the grassroots movement going to look like?

There are four models of interaction between citizens and city officials. The basic level is dubbed City 1.0, where the government acts as an administrator and its citizens as inhabitants. Then there’s City 2.0 where the government acts as a civil servant and its people as consumers. Jakarta is still moving in-and-out of those previous levels. At the level of City 3.0, the government acts as a facilitator and its citizens as participants, it is what most developed cities are. Then there’s City 4.0 where the government acts as a platform provider and its citizens as co-creators or problem solvers. Hopefully, Jakarta can become a City 4.0.

Do you have any concrete examples for that?

City waste, we’re not involved in cleaning it up where citizens throw wastes and the government picks it up. In the next level, the government provides a platform where citizens are involved in sorting the waste and managing the waste. We all share the problem of waste. The more developed a city is the more involved the citizens get. Hopefully, Jakarta can become a City 4.0.

(Anies elaborated his work program but asked that it remain off the record)

Central Government has lifted its moratorium on the Jakarta Bay reclamation. Will you put a halt to the reclamation as you promised during your campaigns?

What we work on will be guided by what we have promised. We differ between conducting the reclamation and what has already happened. The existing islands must be able to be used by the public. It will only create new problems if we dismantle it. Where would the landfill used in the reclamation process be moved to? It will hurt the ecosystem if it is dumped at the sea. Our stance is to stop building the islands that have not been constructed.

How would you attempt to realize the integrated transportation program, which will only cost Rp5,000 to any destination?

As long as mass-public transportation is not integrated with each other, the public will have difficulties to switch from personal vehicles to public transportation. There must be a transportation system that can reach every location possible. Look at it as a blood circulation, there are many stages in the arteries large, medium, and small. The main route will have rapid transit buses, light rail transits, mass rapid transits. Then there will be the mid and small-size buses such as angkot (public mini van transportation). Integrated means that you can ride a public transport from the vicinity of your house to your destination spot.

Does this mean that you will totally restructure the public transport system that currently exists?

Of course, angkot will only operate on residential roads, not on major city roads. There will be busses and midsized busses in major city roads. It will basically fit the scale of the street it travels through. The public transport route has not been changed since the 1980s.

Where would the integration begin?

We will start the program in three areas located in East and Central Jakarta, but we cannot reveal the details right now. We have talked to some of the owners of privately owned public transport. We urged them to be part of the solution. They would not have enough income if they do not run their business correctly. To make it continuously moving, we calculated the driver’s income not based on the number of passengers, but through the distance they cover in a single trip. When angkots wait for passengers by the side of the road, they cause severe traffic jams. This system will also provide passengers with time certainty. There must be a government subsidy for public transportation anywhere in the world, we cannot escape that fact.

How about the zero percent down payment housing program?

There will be no change to that, Insyallah we will realize it soon. In its mechanism, this program facilitates finances. The people choose their own house of choice. But we also provide the housing complex where we will construct the zero percent down payment housing program. The location of such place cannot be revealed yet to avoid sudden price hikes.

Apart from your campaign promises, there are public opinions stating that the job of Anies-Sandi initially is to unite Jakartans who were divided during the Gubernatorial Election.

We conducted a social study and the results were quite pleasing. The polarization within the citizens has relatively died-off. You can observe any area in Jakarta where there were 50:50 votes and I can guarantee you that there isn’t any tension anymore. But the same can’t be said for social media, you can see for yourself, the character in social media is truly different. It is the same overseas.

You are also criticized for having a close relationship with hardline organizations such as the Islamic Defenders Front (FPI).

Yes, I always try to approach every group available. I attended an invite from the Hindu society, which also applies to every other group. The Governor of Jakarta is not allowed to say that he doesn’t want to attend a certain invitation. Especially since FPI is a legitimate organization. But I would not attend an invitation from, let’s say, PKI (Indonesian Communist Party) I definitely would not attend that event.

Did you meet with Rizieq Syihab during your Hajj Pilgrimage?

I traveled there to conduct my pilgrimage. I concentrated on the hajj activities. Many people were conducting their hajj at the time I was there. I paid a visit to public figures in Mecca and Madina.

Many public figures are starting to be in the spotlight ahead of the 2019 Presidential Election. Will you be leading Jakarta until 2022?

I will take care of Jakarta if I was destined to do that. Don’t drag me into issues outside of the capital city. Pak Jokowi in the past did that, taking the Governor’s office for less than five years and eventually was elected as president and that was his destiny, don’t drag me into it.




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